Good ruling here in my opinion. Lead officer on a 100mph car chase and you should pretty much lose all rights to damages which occur to you during that chase. I can't even believe it got this far.
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I agree. The driver of the car has sole responsibility for the decision whether to pull over or to run. If he/she decides to run then the police are obligated to do what they can to stop him/her and also try to protect innocent people who may be in the way.
Could I dare to hope that a little bit of personal responsibility is slowly creeping back into the populace?
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I hate to see someone get injured like this, but then you should just stop for the police. Why do people think they can outrun the law? If he would have pulled over, he might not be driving right now, but he'd be able to walk.
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The trouble with this ruling is maybe it sets a precedent about bystanders not being able to recover from police who should be aware of the increased, unreasonable risk to them.
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I would hope police would have to follow rules rather than make them. The court sometimes would rather protect its appearance rather than its edicts, and I wonder if that's what gave it power and Judicial Review in Mabury v. Madison. If this case completely cuts off police responsibility in accidents during chases, then it's certainly wrong, and I have heard of at least one case where a friend's sister got killed by a police car hitting her. I was told she was on her way to work, but the cop(s) got away with it, as they do too much IMHO.
While I agree with the ruling the officer should have stopped the pursuit once he had sufficient information to identify the perpetrator. It is pretty standard practice now a days to try to minimize high speed chases and thus limit the likelihood that innocent bystanders/drivers will get hurt.
The police in this case, from my understanding of it, had enough information to identify the driver and pick him up at a later date when it would be safer. The driver was a dumb ass for running and rightfully his case should have been ruled as it was, but the officer should have stuck with procedure on this as well.
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so are you saying the idiot driving 100mph crossing double yellow lines into on coming traffic is not a serious danger to the community that needs to be stopped? you think think that because suddenly the cops turn off their lights and stop chasing he's going to begin to suddenly drive safely? he's going to continue to drive as if he's still being chased and eventually he'll kill someone. at least in this case the only person harmed was the idiot himself. guess he won't be running from anyone anymore.
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so are you saying the idiot driving 100mph crossing double yellow lines into on coming traffic is not a serious danger to the community that needs to be stopped?
No, I'm not saying that at all. In fact, if you read my comment again I probably never said anything closely resembling that.
What I'm saying is if only one car is flying through traffic at 100mph instead of 2 or more cars the chances of others getting hit are reduced.
There is no perfect solution to dealing with idiots who flee. Cops do the best they can and the policies they have established are designed to help protect the bystanders.
The perpetrator, once he feels like he isn't being chased anymore will slow down and the threat to other drivers and pedestrians will be minimized. He'll probably be ecstatic thinking he got away. He will be very disappointed later that day or the next morning when the police drag his sorry ass out of bed.
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I'm not believing he goes straight home. But, odds are good he will eventually. They may be good at lying but, in general, they are pretty stupid even though they think they are smarter than the cops.
You right that it can be difficult to properly identify the perp. That is why they are only supposed to stop the chase if they can identify him. However, once they have enough information to postively identify the driver they are supposed to stop the chase.
This is the rule that many law enforcement agencies have to follow including the one that was brought to court in this case (according to NPR news last night at least). Police agencies across the country have been trying to find a way to balance the risks of the high speed chase with the risk of letting the perp run free for a few hours or days (or perhaps never catching him). This policy is where many are currently at now.
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your right it was a generalization. however, I have consistently stated they need to have enough information to positively ID the driver before the break off the chase.
It does no good to let them drive off if you can't identify them in such a way as to please the courts at a later date.
My second comment (5.2) was a direct follow-up to my initial comment (5) where my basic summary of the procedure was initially presented. 5.2 was just an attempt to clarify for Michael (5.1).
I'm not a cop nor do I play on on TV - however, my older brother is one and I talk to him about these kinds of things on occasion. I'm certain some of the nuances of his job miss me terribly and thus I'm sure I lose a bit in the translation into these discussions.
In the end I still think the court was right in ruling against the paralyzed guy. However, if the NPR broadcast I heard on this case was accurate, and the cop could positively identify the guy for later apprehension, then I think he should have terminated the pursuit. I realize it has to be incredibly hard to just stop chasing someone. To be honest it seems totally unintuitive to me to do so. Much like your "fight or flight" response to being hand-cuffed I'm sure many officers get a similar adrenaline rush when they get drawn into these chases that cause them to feel like they have to "get him" - I think it would be human nature under the circumstances; that is why they create policies like this to help take out the "human error". Sure, they aren't perfect but for as there are criminals there will be runners and for as long as people run the police will be trying to find the right balance between pursuit and public safety.
Being a police officer isn't an easy job. They put their life on the line many times every day and, generally, all they get in return from the general public is ridicule and scorn and people, like myself, who have the advantage of hindsight to judge the decisions they made in the heat of the moment.
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good ruling. about time that people are being held responsible for their own actions.
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Good discussion... one that would be much, MUCH more salient if innocent bystanders were hurt during this chase. It happens at times, during these chases, and that's generally when these discussions come up.
But for this case, you have to take the hypothetical situation where the chase WAS *completely* warranted (even if you believe it wasn't) and then ask whether someone paralyzed in a warranted, correctly handled chase has any legal recourse. To that, I say no. All chases are avoidable.
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Law-enforcement personnel here in Santa Clara County seem like scofflaws about traffic rules, turning and changing lanes without signaling, speeding, flaunting the law with their government and/or police vehicles. When I was a teenager back in the early 80s, our local paper, the San Jose Mercury printed my letter to the editor about it.
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